random OS comparisons

[barti]

What amazes me is how much freebsd is an unknown beast.


So much unknown and such a beast.


Full and complete operating system, far better then Linux, and many people
never heard of it.

[barti]

"If 386BSD had been available when I started on Linux, Linux would probably never had happened."

Linus Torvalds

http://serverfault.com/questions/363...pular-than-bsd

[barti]

It's about the feeling of ownership. Linux is free and open in every way. Linux belongs to everyone. Just using Linux makes one feel like part of the community. BSD, despite its license, is "owned" by small groups of control freaks with limited visions. They don't really want you to be a part of their group because you are inferior and you might mess up their code.

From what I read on the net, the new versions of the Linux kernel is indeed a mess.

[daemonfowl]

lol , Mr Barti's waging an OS war .. how funny it turns as we -newbies- start the flame .. hehe .. well, true hackers know which is which .. why .. how .. so they approach issues like these with care or with zen silence ..
barti , I've always loved Linux for specific purposes :
Linux4astro --> astronomy
Poseidon Linux (based on PcLinuxOS) ---> oceanography
wattOS ---> youtube !!!! . old machines ..
Backtrack ---> (sadly now based on ubuntu) sec/
ZenEdu --> education
plamo/doudou/eduknoppix etc ---> children
plus numerous localized Gnu-Linuxes ... plus many other Xfuncion or Xpurpose Gnu-Linuxes
a need .. a passion .. a legacy .. a course of events .. digital karma :-)

[ocicat]

This thread has been split from its parent:

http://www.daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=7296

...as conversation was moving away from discussing OpenBSD window managers & more towards comparisons to Linux.

barti, I suspect you are attempting to understand the different culture found in the *BSD world as opposed to what you saw in the Linux world, & you are trying to put all the inconsistencies together. You would be doing yourself a greater favor if you would try to organize your thoughts more carefully into a more discernible narrative before posting.

It would also help your readers try to understand what is most fundamentally important to you at this time.

[angryfirelord]

Originally Posted by barti

http://serverfault.com/questions/363...pular-than-bsd

True, but if Hurd or Minix had matured, that would've been the case as well. The whole point of Linus releasing Linux was to have a Unix-like system on the 386. Funny thing though is that today, Hurd isn't vaporware anymore and has incorporated a lot of drivers from the 2.6.32 Linux kernel. In fact, there was a statement last year from Debian about creating a Hurd release for Debian Wheezy. Minix in addition had a lot of utilities replaced with applications from NetBSD.

[vermaden]

Originally Posted by angryfirelord

Hurd isn't vaporware anymore and has incorporated a lot of drivers from the 2.6.32 Linux kernel. In fact, there was a statement last year from Debian about creating a Hurd release for Debian Wheezy. Minix in addition had a lot of utilities replaced with applications from NetBSD.

Thats probably because both Hurd and Linux are GPL and both Minix and NetBSD use BSD license

[Carpetsmoker]

The HURD is just a big pile of fail. Even more than most other GNU projects.

Minix 3 actually looks quite nice. Unlike earlier Minix versions, it's not just a research system anymore but aimed to be a "real" desktop/server OS.
I'd like to explore it someday, but these days my computer playtime is pretty limited ...

Here's a video of Andrew Tanenbaum explaining Minix 3:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx3KuE7UjGA

[punk0x29a]

I wonder...

What will happen to Plan 9 from Outer Spa... Bell Labs, I mean...

The future operating systems, such as this, will affect us - in the future, for this is where You and I are going to spend the rest of our lives...

God help us - in the future...


And now, for sumtin' serious... I've read that Plan9 wasn't deployed world-wide, because it was ahead of it's times for like 30-40 years or so... What do You think about it?

[thirdm]

Originally Posted by punk0x29a

I wonder...
And now, for sumtin' serious... I've read that Plan9 wasn't deployed world-wide, because it was ahead of it's times for like 30-40 years or so... What do You think about it?

I'd try switching to it if...
1. I was reasonably sure how to install it and that it would support my hardware.
2. I had a mouse that makes acme's chording comfortable
3. I knew for sure it ran firefox (or a suitable replacement), emacs (I'd need time to ween myself off emacs and onto acme), an X server (can it?), an RDP client, and various other software (it was also unclear to me whether it had any kind of C++ compiler beyond cfront, whether it ran any kind of Scheme compiler supporting more than R4RS or even scsh, whether it had sbcl or any other implementation of CL).

My impression was that the problem with plan 9 was that it needs a group of middling hackers outside the core group to do all the porting or new creation of programs that its creators turn their nose at (web browsing is the worst for keeping out new clean OS designs with all the crap we've come to need to use common sites and how much work that takes to support). Unless that happens it's like Oberon -- a prototype showing the way things maybe ought to be but lacking lots of stuff many of us are used to having. You can tell me all this other stuff is just sugar, fat, and salt, but probably that won't be enough to motivate me to do all my computing plan 9's way. If using OpenBSD meant I couldn't run anything beyond their base, I wouldn't use it either, as much as I like what they're doing.

Acme's pretty cool, though. Just need a better mouse.

Damn it, you're going to make me go on another plan9port or kick soon.

[roddierod]

I tried plan 9 about a year or two ago. Performance wise I loved it, but the lack of ported software kept me from keeping the installation for more that 3 or 4 days.

But this post makes me want to try it again and maybe look into porting stuff to it.

[punk0x29a]

Well... For me plan9 was, so far, only a fun toy under virtual machine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...9_applications

There's links! We're saved! ;-)

Wow... Imagine SteelBankCL on Plan9 on PrecisionBook 9000... Can You guys think of anything more hackerish?
Rollerblades grow themselves on your feets, young Jolie pops up on "faces" announcer... Halcyon on and on...

Lack of cpp compiler keeps me away from it. And, on the other hand, rio conception is something I really, really dont like - mouse driven WM, on which everything must be typed on keyboard... Kinda like a new ubuntu gui