Recommendation of the UNIX.COM Forums [Archive]

vermaden

06-17-2008, 02:15 PM

In the *BSD section there has been 9 posts in the last 2 months (If I am not wrong). I wouldn't call it a competitive BSD forums. It seems more a forum focused on non-bsd unixes.

I would like to recommend unix.com forums, especially for Solaris, AIX and HPUX resources/threads, also a lot of great "script threads" there.

As I said in the 1st post: Solaris + AIX + HPUX

As for Neo's message it seems that he is referring to some people or posts in particular, I do not know which....
Propably anyone who posted link on bsdforums.org had been cut by j65nko because of bsdforums regulation.

cubo

06-17-2008, 02:55 PM

As I said in the 1st post: Solaris + AIX + HPUX

I was talking about Neo's words, not yours. I just found strange his request, that's all. Anyway, never mind.

Carpetsmoker

06-17-2008, 06:30 PM

I didn't even know it existed.

Is he talking about BSDForums or DaemonForums? Or both? In any case, anyone is free to link to any other recource (including forums) ...
Also, I suspect most people here have joined the community long after this skirmish with unix.com, and are quite unaware of it.
Please tell him this if you haven't already.

vermaden

06-17-2008, 06:58 PM

Is he talking about BSDForums or DaemonForums? Or both?
It all started at the beginning of BSD Forums and continues to today (propably), as daemonforums.org is a continuation of bsdforums traditions, no one removed any unix.com links from here if I recall correctly, but propably many moderators and admins removed links from bsdforums.

In any case, anyone is free to link to any other recource (including forums) ...
Also, I suspect most people here have joined the community long after this skirmish with unix.com, and are quite unaware of it.
Please tell him this if you haven't already.
I will PM him, I think that I already told him this, but I am not sure.

ephemera

06-17-2008, 07:40 PM

unix.com IMO has a very different flavour to (daemon|bsd)forums.org.

i enjoy clever uses of grep, sed, sh etc. but i feel unix.com has an overdose of it, i got bored of it pretty soon. daemonforums has got the opposite problem; still this is a nice place to hang out. :)

TerryP

06-18-2008, 04:21 AM

So much vBulletin ...

It might be a bit stupid of me to ask but being a youngling of sorts here. What did happen between unix.com and bsdforums?

robbak

06-18-2008, 05:20 AM

Beats me! Anyway, I just followed that link, and will see what the site is about. The referrer logs entry will make the persnickety admin there happy.

Carpetsmoker

06-18-2008, 06:31 AM

I just noticed that Neo (The Administrator) removed a thread you made with the reason "used to drive traffic to another site.".

I assume the "other site" is DaemonForums? ... He probably didn't appreciate this, especially since there seems to be some history between unix.com and bsdforums.org.
In any case, please ask the administrators permission before making "advertisement threads".

vermaden

06-18-2008, 07:25 AM

@Carpetsmoker

That propably would not be necessery, I have just been banned from unix.com ...

You have been banned for the following reason:
No reason was specified.

Date the ban will be lifted: Never

cajunman4life

06-18-2008, 07:44 AM

Hmm... a little draconian.

Oliver_H

06-18-2008, 07:59 AM

Childish behaviour.

tuck

06-18-2008, 10:17 AM

Stupid that's all.

mtx

06-18-2008, 12:48 PM

just for the community record. they have edited one of my posts and deleted a link to bsdforums.
that's just hilarious, the thread is called "How Many Technology Forums Do You Actively Participate In?".

i am not a unix.com regular "costumer" and as i have stated before people go to the place they like most.

Childish behaviour.

+1 Oliver_H
/v

Nirbo

06-21-2008, 07:13 PM

vermaden

06-21-2008, 08:33 PM

A bit over the top...

If you need to administrate so badly that you change posts arbitrarily (arguably), maybe you should get a second hobby?

Or be less of a dick?

Me, Carpetsmoker or who, Neo?

Then again, so is playing with forum databases. I would have reset vermaden's password instead of banning him, and then sent him a PM here asking about the PMs on UNIX forums that he didn't respond to (that I would not actually send.)
I have lost in half of that part, what do you meat with all that PMs?

scottro

06-21-2008, 09:45 PM

Erm, why were you banned? Was it without warning?

windependence

06-21-2008, 10:05 PM

Seems rather odd to me. This guy obviously has an ego. I run a board myself and I welcome links each way unless they are directly competitive. Surely theirs isn't considering the subject matter. I guess he feels threatened or is paranoid about something.

-Tim

Carpetsmoker

06-21-2008, 10:20 PM

Well, from what I understand, Neo also welcomes links to other forums, but there seems to be some old beef between Unix.com and BSDForums.org, from what Neo told me Admin and the first moderators at BSDForums were Unix.com members first, and then started BSDForums.
Also, it seems that Admin has always removed links to Unix.com from BSDForums...
And since DaemonForums is a continuation of BSDForums....

I *think* I have convinced Neo that we are NOT BSDForums and that these forums are run by different people, and that no links will ever be removed, but I'm not sure about that since my account is now moderated (admin/mods have to manually accept my posts) and I suspect a link to DaemonForums was recently removed (Day ago, need to confirm that).

scottro

06-21-2008, 11:10 PM

Even so, it seems silly. One would think, unless there is advertising money involved, that cross links would be welcomed.

Oh well, perhaps it's as Carpetsmoker suspects, that there's some bad history between the old Admin and this fellow Neo, and that's the root of all this. Vermaden, I'm assuming you were banned because of some connection with Daemonforums? Or did your avatar simply make people feel they had to use the bathroom, so they decided it was too annoying?

Actually, lately your avatar makes me think of the animated Madagascar, where Mr. Baron Cohen, as Ali G, is playing the chief of the lemurs, singing, "I like to move it, move it."

vermaden

06-21-2008, 11:19 PM

Erm, why were you banned? Was it without warning?

Long story mate.

1. I got PM from Neo that on mine thread on unix.com that I nobody posted for about 2 years I linked to bsdforums.org and on mirror thread on bsdforums.org I did not linked to unix.com. He also cried about my site, that I have links to all major UNIX resources but not to unix.com and that was his warning with 10 points of something, dunno, maybe 10 xp points and I will level up in short time ...

2. I replied that there was no sense in linking to unix.com thread since NO ONE post any posts there, and there was a reason to link to bsdfoforums.org because we had some discussion there I also offered this thread if he feels sad about that. I also said that I will add a unix.com link to my site because I am currently working on new version of it.

3. He replied with info that unix.com links are always deleted from bsdforums.org with PM message that was quoted here on the first post.

4. I started this thread with quoted PM.

5. I got PM from Neo that posting someone's PM is not kind because they are "private".

6. I replied to him, said sorry, I did not knew that it was so secret for him (was it?). I also checked my site if I really missed unix.com link and Neo just did not find unix.com link on my site, so I also added info to my PM to Neo, that my site contains link to unix.com on *. vermaden > whois: > unix.com place.

7. Next day I got banned with no reason.

8. Several days later Neo added info to my ban that I was banned because of posting PM's to public (it took whole 2 days to add that info).

Rest is described by Carpetsmoker.

vermaden

06-21-2008, 11:23 PM

Oh well, perhaps it's as Carpetsmoker suspects, that there's some bad history between the old Admin and this fellow Neo, and that's the root of all this. Vermaden, I'm assuming you were banned because of some connection with Daemonforums?

Dunno mate, but I do not longer consider Neo as a responsible man.

Or did your avatar simply make people feel they had to use the bathroom, so they decided it was too annoying?

Actually, lately your avatar makes me think of the animated Madagascar, where Mr. Baron Cohen, as Ali G, is playing the chief of the lemurs, singing, "I like to move it, move it."

Heh ;)

When I was selecting my avatar on bsdforums for the first time I checked all 1300+ images, but when I saw my current one I could not resist to use it ;)

It was just ... different you know, but I know it makes you feel tired :)

ocicat

06-21-2008, 11:25 PM

This guy obviously has an ego. I run a board myself and I welcome links each way unless they are directly competitive.
Actually, the answer is most likely found in the latter part of the above quoted sentence. I suspect it is very easy to fall into turf battles especially when competing for the same content & clientèle. I also suspect that this kind of territorial behaviour is even more pronounced when new competition appears on the scene.

As an example, look at dogs. They bark loudest & most viciously at new dogs until the pecking order has been clearly re-established.

That, & they all calm down after smelling each other's butts. ;)

Carpetsmoker

06-21-2008, 11:29 PM

I am not going to smell anyone's butt.

Or did your avatar simply make people feel they had to use the bathroom, so they decided it was too annoying?

Luckily you can turn animated images off ... Otherwise Vermaden would have been banned here a long time ago ;)

scottro

06-22-2008, 01:18 AM

Ok, that was funny. I like his image, it always tickles me.
Probably shouldn't have posted the PM, but it does seem the fellow is overly sensitive. Carpetsmoker, I think Ocicat was speaking figuratively in this case.
Maybe in your correspondence with the gentleman, you can point out that vermaden is probably responsible for several people joining his forum. (If vermaden cares, which he may not.)

Carpetsmoker

06-22-2008, 04:53 AM

was his warning with 10 points of something, dunno, maybe 10 xp points and I will level up in short time ...

Yes, I would suggest using the points for the "Bloody mess" trait and "heavy weapons" skill, and then use your imagination, combined with a few death animations from a post-nuclear role playing game. :)

Ehm, right ... He was talking about "Profile infractions", admins and mods can give a user infractions with the red/yellow card above each user's post, at X points a user can be banned for X days or whatever...

I have 5 points, reason: "Posting with the purpose of promoting own site.", which is nonsense, I just provide a valid/useful answer and posting a link to the original author/source :-/ ... He whines to us that we remove links to unix.com (Which is not true) and at the same time he removes links to Daemonforums.org...

But why am I worrying and spending time on this...?

Carpetsmoker, I think Ocicat was speaking figuratively in this case.

Really? :confused:

Probably shouldn't have posted the PM, but it does seem the fellow is overly sensitive.

In Dutch we say someone has "long toes" when he/she is easily offended.
I would say this person's toes reach all the way from Constantinople to Istanbul...

ai-danno

06-22-2008, 05:26 AM

I think the main difference between the two sites, other than the obvious subjectmatter difference, is that unix.com is out to make a buck, and we're out to be a community.

UNIX Forum Content Copyright ©1993-2008 SilkRoad Asia (http://www.silkroad-asia.com/) All Rights Reserved -Ad Management by RedTyger (http://redtyger.co.uk/)
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO (http://www.crawlability.com/vbseo/) 3.1.0
The ad management and SEO optimization gives that away. What's sad is that this greediness of content isolation for the purposes of SEO-driven ad revenue is blot on the UNIX community as a whole. It's a self-serving selfish behavior. As a result I wouldn't contribute one word of content to them.

So having users potentially come here and post content that might otherwise be posted on their site and generate more traffic via search engines (and thus potentially spur more ad revenue and thus make them more money) is, to me, the direct reason they are acting the way they are... any other excuse they give is, IMHO, simply smokescreen.

ps- do you still want to recommend them and set up a link for them from here?

scottro

06-22-2008, 06:10 AM

As usual, I think ai-danno nailed it. (Of course, we cacti users get good at that.) :)

When this thread started. I had thought that there were issues between unix.com and the old bsdforums admin, and that this was simply a matter of ironing that out. However, as the thread's progressed, I imagine that the bad blood between them stemmed from the ad driven content thing, which is a shame. I doubt that either made a lot of money on their sites.

So, it seems he would like references to his forum, which is reasonable. He has rules about posting links which *might* have originally been there to help prevent spam. However, a link to a forum like this shouldn't be an issue, unless he really feels that it's taking money from him. Perhaps the logic is, people go there, they start going there less than here, fewer people see the ads. <shrug>.

Anyway, I think Carpetsmoker also summed it up well, why are we wasting time about this. I would like to think that if this forum (daemonforums) started taking advertising, they wouldn't object to us posting links to other forums that might also <gasp> have ads.

As Carpetsmoker said, I guess he has long toes--interesting idiom, I guess if your toes are long, they're easy to step on.

What goes around tends to come around, so if he's creating bad karma, on his head be it. As Marcus Aurelius wrote, If he did wrong, the harm is with him, but perhaps he didn't. In other words, what Carpetsmoker says. I think that Vermaden, in the first post, actually tried to help the fellow, recommending the forum. Now he's been banned from there.

Well, Vermaden, going back to Marcus Aurelius again, he also wrote words to the effect of, If you do a good deed, isn't that reward enough? Why hope for gratitude as well? As near as I can see, you made the recommendation for the forum--frankly, I'm a bit leery of forums that are so nervous of whatever they're nervous about that they start giving out "you've been naughty" points for linking to other technical forums.

CentOS has lots of ads, and I've never been criticized for linking to anything else.
Ubuntu is a commercial entity, and though I don't see ads on their forum pages, I believe their code of conduct says just don't overdo it--I've linked to my pages and other forums countless times, and have never been asked not to by the mods.

Fedora has no ads, and I'm not sure of their policy, but again, I've never been criticized for linking to anything there. So, I guess it's a bit non-standard.

As usual, I've gone on too long, but I'm a bit irked, perhaps because I feel I was fooled--I thought that this fellow simply thought we were removing links to his site, but it turns out he doesn't want links to other sites. Silly person.

ai-danno

06-22-2008, 06:19 AM

Thanks Scottro!

It's really sad that those as petty as the unix.com guys are swirling around in or around our BSD community realm... I had always hoped that this community somehow was a bit more mature (and for the most part it is)... but sadly, I suppose that every village has it's (greedy) idiot.

Carpetsmoker

06-22-2008, 06:30 AM

There's no problem posting to other sites/forums, see this thread:
http://www.unix.com/whats-your-mind/40900-how-many-technology-forums-do-you-actively-participate.html

In particular Vermaden's post, BSDForums was removed, but PC-BSD and BSDNexus were not.
And in mtx's post BSDForums was also removed, I think mtx edited it and put DaemonForums there a few days ago, which was also removed.

In short, I'm not so sure the advertisement thing is the problem, I think the problem is that this Neo is just a prick...

ocicat

06-22-2008, 06:52 AM

...unix.com is out to make a buck, and we're out to be a community.
While I understand your intent, I don't agree that having advertisements is inherently evil. Ultimately, sites have to pay for hosting (even if it's just a server in the garage...), & advertisements can help defray those costs. If energy prices continue to stay high, I suspect we will see a number of unencumbered sites adopt similar advertising practices -- especially if they intend to stay online ad infinitum. All we can hope for is that ad placements are not so annoying or distracting that finding the real content becomes a chore.

It is important to separate this issue from any behaviour seen by Admin's of related sites. While I don't pretend to understand the motivations of the person in question, neither do I feel compelled to pay for his psychotherapy bills. The world is big enough that he can go his way, & I can go mine.

Carpetsmoker

06-22-2008, 07:21 AM

Also note that you only see advertisements when you are not logged in, once you register an account and log in you don't see any advertisement ... similar to linuxquestions.org
I think this is a nice compromise ... As ocicat already pointed out, hosting needs to be paid.

But I, for one, am not a particular big fan of advertisement, there's such a thing as banned blindness (http://www.useit.com/alertbox/banner-blindness.html) and there is this other study which shows that a small number of users are responsible for an overwhelming majority of advertisement clicks (Can't find the research right now).

So internet advertisement doesn't really work (Well, no advertisement really does, but this is a different story).

In addition, I think there are better/more creative ways to covert (part of) the hosting costs...

vermaden

06-22-2008, 08:04 AM

Yes, I would suggest using the points for the "Bloody mess" trait and "heavy weapons" skill, and then use your imagination, combined with a few death animations from a post-nuclear role playing game. :)

I am thinking about taking perk "Slayer" currently ... ;)

What goes around tends to come around, so if he's creating bad karma, on his head be it. As Marcus Aurelius wrote, If he did wrong, the harm is with him, but perhaps he didn't. In other words, what Carpetsmoker says. I think that Vermaden, in the first post, actually tried to help the fellow, recommending the forum. Now he's been banned from there.

Well, Vermaden, going back to Marcus Aurelius again, he also wrote words to the effect of, If you do a good deed, isn't that reward enough? Why hope for gratitude as well? As near as I can see, you made the recommendation for the forum--frankly, I'm a bit leery of forums that are so nervous of whatever they're nervous about that they start giving out "you've been naughty" points for linking to other technical forums.
I have done what I feel was best, but I am not going to remove/edit this thread after the case ended like that.

I still do not have anything bad if it goes to unix.com users, they propably do not even know anything about the case, I just do not respect their admin (neo) anymore.

What is the most funny part of that story?

unix.com rules does not say anything about posting PM's:
SIMPLE RULES OF THE UNIX FORUMS (http://www.unix.com/unix-dummies-questions-answers/2971-simple-rules-unix-com-forums.html)

It also does not mention anything about posting/removing links to anything.

What is not denied, it is allowed.

I have 5 points, reason: "Posting with the purpose of promoting own site.", which is nonsense, I just provide a valid/useful answer and posting a link to the original author/source :-/ ... He whines to us that we remove links to unix.com (Which is not true) and at the same time he removes links to Daemonforums.org...

In Dutch we say someone has "long toes" when he/she is easily offended.
I would say this person's toes reach all the way from Constantinople to Istanbul...

In short, I'm not so sure the advertisement thing is the problem, I think the problem is that this Neo is just a prick...

Yes, I wanted to be nice at the beginning, but now I just think that Neo is an asshole.

Carpetsmoker

06-22-2008, 05:21 PM

And now all my private messages have been cleared at unix.com :confused:
What, is he afraid I'm going to post them here or something?

ocicat

06-22-2008, 05:36 PM

And now all my private messages have been cleared at unix.com :confused:
What, is he afraid I'm going to post them here or something?
You should have smelled his butt...

;)

Carpetsmoker

06-22-2008, 06:05 PM

hmpf, I should have kicked it...

Oliver_H

06-22-2008, 06:31 PM

> Don't send a private message with a technical question. The forums are for the benefit of all, so all Q&A should take place in the forums.

Smells like some little dictator who reads the messages.

>Edit your posts if you see spelling or grammar errors (don't write in cyberchat or cyberpunk style). English only.

Well a '*g*' will certainly lead to terminal disintegration :D

ninjatux

06-22-2008, 06:52 PM

What happened to Tru64 UNIX? Was it merged with HP-UX when HP bought Compaq?

jggimi

06-22-2008, 06:59 PM

Current status

With their purchase of Compaq in 2002 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002), HP announced their intention to migrate many of Tru64 UNIX's more innovative features (including its AdvFS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AdvFS) file system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system), Trucluster, and LSM) to HP-UX (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX), HP's existing Unix OS. In December 2004 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004), HP announced a change of plan; they would instead use the Veritas file system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veritas_file_system) and abandon the rest of the Tru64 advanced features. In the process, many of the remaining Tru64 developers were laid off (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layoff).[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tru64#cite_note-7)
In July 2007, HP stated that they would continue to support Tru64 UNIX until at least 2012, with the next maintenance release, 5.1B-5, planned for the second half of 2008.[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tru64#cite_note-8)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tru64

ai-danno

06-22-2008, 07:04 PM

Well, Vermaden, that PM you posted here is still masked... can you unmask it? I never got to read what it was... now that all the chips are on the table, it would be interesting to see what it was.

And Carpetsmoker, I'm not against you funding your hosting expenses of this site as a way to carry on this awesome forum, but it would be for the right reasons... it just feels like (considering the way the he's acted) Neo runs that site as a way to make money, not simply as a way to fund the site hosting expenses. I could be very wrong, but the impression he gives via his behavior points in that direction.

Basically, if he really is just trying to fund the hosting costs alone (and not looking to have that next cash-cow of a site) then his irresponsible and immature behavior has painted him as otherwise... he's really shot himself in the foot.

vermaden

06-22-2008, 08:43 PM

Well, Vermaden, that PM you posted here is still masked... can you unmask it? I never got to read what it was... now that all the chips are on the table, it would be interesting to see what it was.
It basically was about that unix.com links are deleted from bsdforums.org and that bsdforums.org founders first start on unix.com and then started their own forum and now they are removing any links to unix.com.

He also stated that based on that story BSD community is selfish and only wants to take without giving anything back.

mtx

06-22-2008, 11:31 PM

A bit over the top...

If you need to administrate so badly that you change posts arbitrarily (arguably), maybe you should get a second hobby?

Or be less of a dick?

I hear knitting is quite fun.

Then again, so is playing with forum databases. I would have reset vermaden's password instead of banning him, and then sent him a PM here asking about the PMs on UNIX forums that he didn't respond to (that I would not actually send.)

But then again, I'm fun.

Let me clarify the situation. First my post was linking bsdforums, and it was edited by you Mr. Neo or by your staff. After Carpetsmoker showed me the post i thought of inserting a link to daemonforums since bsdforums is dead and since the thread is named "How Many Technology Forums Do You Actively Participate In?" and people entered links to forums they use.

After i've read this thread and understood what is happening i thought i will remove the link to daemonforums so i don't flame any possible war.

But then again, I'm fun.

But then again, you are *not* fun, just childish.

My apologies to the community for any problem that might have arose from this.

/v

Neo

06-24-2008, 09:16 AM

Hello.

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. So, I will post to clear up a small part of the misinformation.

First of all, vermaden was banned from unix.com for posting a PM without permission, which many folks, including me, consider to be very poor net etiquette. I am sure vermaden did not mean any harm; however, this is just basic net etiquette 101 in my view. Combining this with the fact that he has made very little contribution to our forums, and mostly posts links back to other forums, I did what any reasonable forum admin would do. Posting our PM was the last straw, not the first one.

OK, that is all I have to say.

Best of luck. I look forward to seeing your community grow!

If you have any further questions or issues, please login at www.unix.com and send me a PM (don't worry we will not post your PMs from over there). We don't permit these type of "less than productive" public discussions in the public forums at unix.com.

Neo

PS: Look forward to cooperating in the future!

windependence

06-24-2008, 12:11 PM

Doesn't sound like a very friendly place to me.

"reasonable admin"? I at least give my members 3 warnings before just arbitrarily banning them.

Posting PMs is a matter of personal choice. I allow it on my forum unless it is personally sensitive material. Of course, everybody has a different opinion.

Your forum is some place I may have visited had I known about it. hearing it first hand from the admin, I think I'll just stay here, hell, maybe I'll even keep hanging out on the Ubuntu forums.....much more accomodating.

-Tim

ocicat

06-24-2008, 02:34 PM

Doesn't sound like a very friendly place to me.

Whitewashing an entire site based on the opinion of one person is rather short-sighted, even if the opinion expressed is that of an Admin. Communities are more than that.
If different communities operate differently, great. In fact, I hope different communities act differently. Moreover, I would become nervous if they didn't.
Thinking that the way we operate here is the only way in which forum communities can & should operate is unhealthy. I'm sure there are good & bad practices everywhere. Even here.

While expressing esprit de corp is fine, this discussion is increasingly becoming polarized as "us" vs. "them". Continuing to go down this road is not only non-productive, it can be harmful. Everyone has had their say. Let's all move on.

Carpetsmoker

06-24-2008, 03:10 PM

I do not know what wrongs were done to you by the BSDForums people in the past, I do know it all happened long before I joined and that I have no part in it, the same applies to most (If not all) of the members here.
Holding me responsible for these actions is like holding contemporary Spanish people responsible for the slaughter of the native Americans, or contemporary Italians for the invasion (and slaughter) of the Gaulish people ...

I think have explained this very clearly several times already, I think I have also backed it up by adding unix.com to the list of links and starting this thread.

I would like to be friends with all other communities and forums that are out there, including unix.com, I do not see other forums as competition but as an addition and complementary to DaemonForums, many people here (Myself included) are in fact active members of other forums.
If someone is better of posting a question at another forum then I will glad to point him/her there, the internet is more than large enough for all of us ...

Unfortunately you make it very difficult to be friends with, I have the distinct impression that no matter what I say you are convinced of my bad intent, the problem here is that there is no bad intent/feelings towards unix.com on my part.

Don't get me wrong, unix.com is your site, you pay for it, you make the rules, I respect that, but at the same time I find your actions (banning vermaden, removing links to DaemonForums, deleting my PM-box) rather unfriendly and not very sociable.

In any case, I have no hard feelings toward unix.com, but these false accusations will have to stop.

tanked

06-24-2008, 05:22 PM

Hello.

There is a lot of misinformation in this thread. So, I will post to clear up a small part of the misinformation.

First of all, vermaden was banned from unix.com for posting a PM without permission, which many folks, including me, consider to be very poor net etiquette. I am sure vermaden did not mean any harm; however, this is just basic net etiquette 101 in my view. Combining this with the fact that he has made very little contribution to our forums, and mostly posts links back to other forums, I did what any reasonable forum admin would do. Posting our PM was the last straw, not the first one.

Did you warn Vermaden about his bahaviour and the consequences of what would happen if he did not heed your warnings? If you did, you're perfectly justified in banning him; if you didn't, you went too far.

anomie

06-24-2008, 06:35 PM

At this stage I'd ask: is there intellectual (or entertainment) value in keeping this thread open? If not - with all respect to those who have made their opinions clear - I'd request that it be closed.

Carpetsmoker

06-24-2008, 08:01 PM

I sent the message above (post #52) to Neo, below is his reply.
At this point I do not care about his whining, him banning me, or anything even closely related to unix.com ... Taffers.

Let this be the end of this bitchfight, Neo can think whatever he likes to think, I have remained polite, patient, and carefully explained my POV several times, and tried to clear up any misunderstatement, but it is like teaching evolution to a young earth creationist, any fact will be twisted.

Accusing you of what?

You are simply fanning flames of a fire that you have created in your own mind based on a private conversation with one of our members who was spamming our boards with their links back to other boards, not contributing here.

I did not post your PMs and we do not have some unproductive conversation about you or your forums on these boards.

What are you smoking?

What have you or your boards been accused of, anywhere????

You are smoking too much Carpet, me thinks.

What I really think is that you guys are just trying to draw attention to your small board with useful banter about unix.com

We don't have time for that here.

Understood?

Go away and keep posting junk on your boards. Maybe instead of a technical forum, you can be a tabloid ;)